Many countries have some form of compulsory Army service for a certain period, including Netherlands, Israel, Turkey, Egypt and others. In Egypt, service in the army was compulsory for most of the 20th century. It is restricted to males 18 years to 35 years who do have another male brother, and is physically and mentally fit. Those who study can have a temporary reprieve until they finish their study, to a maximum of 24 or so. The duration of the service varies from 1 year (plus 3 months training) for university graduates, to 3 years for those with only elementary education. Before 1952, service could be avoided if one paid a large sum of money to the government. After 1952, and in the name of equality, this practice was abolished, and every eligible person had to serve. On the face of it, service in the army makes a young youth ready for combat if need be, teaches him to be adaptable, resourceful and tough. Reality is much different though. The army in Egypt, just like many other countries, is the culmination of bureaucracy, favoritism, nepotism, cronyism, corruption. All of these are rampant in the government, but more so in the army.The reasons for this are plenty. Those who serve in the army are two types: the recruits forced to serve before they can hold a job, or travel abroad, and career staff. The career staff are two classes, the higher rank army officers (Second Lieutenant to General), and the lower rank (Private, Sargeant, ...etc.). The officers are either from a technical background (medicine, engineering, ...etc.) graduating from normal technical colleges, or of military disciplines, graduating from specialized military academies. Most join the army because it is a guaranteed government job that pays a relatively good salary and pension, and comes with many perks, such as use of army clubs, percieved social status, ...etc.. The lower rank officers are mostly people from lower social levels who have no education and join the Army because it is the only hope they have for a paying job. This is true in most armies of the world, including Canada, UK, USA and others. These lower rank officers can later go up to the first few ranks of officers, but are often derogatorily called ضابط مخلة (Dufflebag Officer), because they joined the armies as private rank soldiers.Many of the permanent staff, specially the lower rank ones, disdain the temporary recruits, envying them for having education and better job prospects. They therefore use all the tricks to make their life miserable for the duration they are in the army. Some get the sick feeling of pleasure from the misery of others. Some feel satisfaction from being able to humilate a medical doctor or an engineer. Most of this is allowed in the name of teaching discipline and absolute obedience. Others use their position and influence as a secondary source of income. For example, they would agree to give recruits extra vacation days in return for a bribe. Some of these recruits, most likely farmers with no education at all, need the vacations because they have married early and have a family to support, so they need the vacation to work.Those lucky recruits with connections can practically spend the whole duration at home, with all the paper work arranged to make them look like they have been "sent on a mission" or "on loan" to some other unit. This is reminiscent of George W Bush national guard service during the Vietnam War era, but on a larger scale.Those with no connections, and no money for bribes can only watch how cruel real life is ... So, the army is mostly a demoralizing experience for those forced to do the compulsory service. Some reverse wisdom can be seen in proverbs and saying that are famous in the army such as:
- "Injustice to all is justice!" الظلم لما يعم يبقى عدل This is told by officers when recruits complain of some situation. The response is to apply injustice to everyone, then it becomes justice. Of course, not even this twisted logic is true, given the bribes and favoritism that are widely practiced.
- "In the army, you have to find a way"الجيش قال لك اتصرف. This used to mean resourcefulness, and making do with what you have. However it gradually evolved into "the ends justify the means", such as bribes.
- "Talk only about yourself" اتكلم عن نفسك بس. A rebellion in the army is a big disaster to the chain of command. A mutiny used to be punishable by death (e.g. Fletcher Christian and the Mutiny on the Bounty). Hence, the army always do not want any kind of groups forming under any circumstances.
Of course, the Egyptian army is up to the challenge in the battlefield, no doubts about that. However, the compulsory draft system is absolutely useless, and is a remnant from another age.
Comments
Khalid
I don't know
Tue, 2017/02/28 - 12:23Ah, I see what you mean now. I don't know for sure. You have to ask others who did it what documents they submitted to get a permission to leave Egypt.
Waitaminute (not verified)
Army Service
Fri, 2017/06/02 - 18:01If you are a born American citizen and both of your parents were citizens of Egypt, can you still serve in the Egyptian Military?
Khalid
Foreign Passport
Fri, 2017/06/02 - 18:05If you have a foreign passport, you will be able to go in and out of Egypt as you please, without being prevented from travel, like you would if you have an Egyptian passport. After you turn 30, you go to the Egyptian consulate, pay a fine and get a paper that exempts you from service.
Vaness (not verified)
Vacation
Fri, 2017/11/24 - 22:21I study aboard in US.
My boyfriend is an Egyptian, he is going to do military service in Jan. He has to serve for 1 year at least.
He said the training will take 45 days but he didn't say much about what will happen after. I don't want to ask many questions because I don't want to stress him out. So I hope any of you can help me out here
My questions are:
1. What will happen after those 45 days? Will he be returned to his hometown?
2. Is it possible to visit him after his training days end? Will he get some short vacation?
3. Is there any way for me to contact him while he is in there?
Khalid
Be careful ...
Fri, 2017/11/24 - 22:32Before answering the specific questions, you should be aware of ongoing romance scams between foreign women and Egyptian men working in tourist areas.
Please read carefully: Warning to female tourists thinking of marrying Egyptians. Also read as many comments as you can.
You may be a victim of a scam.
This has all the warning signs of an ongoing scam, and a usual tactic by the scammers is to say 'I am going to the army, so you can't contact me'.
Answers to specific questions:
1. After the training period the enlistee is assigned to a unit. This can be close to his hometown, or far away. No way to know in advance where he will end up.
2. Vacations do happen, but it varies from one place to another. Usually contact with non Egyptian women is forbidden for fear of spying ...etc.
3. Not sure.
Mette (not verified)
After training camp, do they
Tue, 2019/01/08 - 10:08After training camp, do they go directly to the military? Or will they get the chance to go home after for a while?
Khalid
Depends
Tue, 2019/01/08 - 10:13Sometimes, they are given one weekend off, sometimes they go directly.
But are you sure your husband is really your husband, and not a scammer? He may not be going to the army at all.
Please read this, and the comments on it: Warning to female tourists marrying Egyptians.
Mette (not verified)
I’m pretty sure about that.
Tue, 2019/01/08 - 11:51I’m pretty sure about that. We have done ALL the paper work. With the pictures and stamps. The doctor to get our blood taken, both embassies. And getting the papers legalized and translated.
He is leaving for training on Thursday. And he doesn’t know exactly what will happen after. He thinks he will go directly. But is not sure.
Khalid
Paperwork means nothing ...
Tue, 2019/01/08 - 11:57Scammers also have authentic paperwork. They are legally married.
What matters are other signs: if he asks for money for his sick mom's operation, or money to buy an apartment (allegedly in both your names), if you are apart for a long time (you in your country, he in Egypt), if you met at a tourist resort or hotel, if you cannot contact him for days or weeks.
Many of these scammers use the army as an excuse to break off communication from their victim, saying he will be away for a year.
Mette (not verified)
He has never asked me for
Tue, 2019/01/08 - 12:47He has never asked me for money. He once complained about an extra bill he got. And I offered to pay it. He said no, because a man doesn’t let a woman pay. That would be embarrassing. And he got a little bit upset by it. He always pays. So there has never been anything with money. And there has never been a day where we are not contact. Always texting and calling. All through the day. So in that way I’m not nervous about he be a scammer. But of course what u have said, is on my mind now. I will look out for the signs. Thank u!
I read an old comment, were a girl wrote, that training campwas for 45 days. But my husband says 2 weeks. Can that rule been changed? Since he says 2 weeks. Or is he lying?
But to got back to the original question 😊 So u say that sometimes they get a week off after training. And sometimes directly to the military?
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