Ancestry - Paternal Side

All the present Baheyeldins are direct descendants (sons, grandsons, and granddaughters) of Mohamed Baheyeldin.

Mohamed Baheyeldin was the eldest son of Ahmed Mohamed Abdallah Mohamed Ali (El Gada') El Hosseini Omran, in Arabic: محمد بهى الدين احمد محمد عبدالله محمد على الجدع الحصيني عمران. The Hosseini name is spelled الحسينى or الحصين.

Here is a simple family tree.

Baheyeldin's Father

Ahmed was born in 1910 in El Sakakra, and was a teacher, then a school principal, then education inspector.

His family owned some agricultural land, which was not extensive, but enough to be landowners in the area, and for the family members to get university education, and be employed in job unrelated to agriculture.

From Large Landowner to Small Landowner

It is said that El Gada' owned vast areas of land, said to be 50,000 feddans or 70,000 feddans. Exaggerations say that on horesback, a rider would take from sunrise to sunset to go around it. However, in the 19th century, he gave some of it to the Khedive of Egypt so that his sons would not serve as labour for digging up the Suez Canal. The Suez Canal labor were able bodied young men conscripted forcibly from rural areas. Many men perished during that digging.

The story about the meeting is that he travelled to Cairo to request audience with the Khedive. They could not find a proper sized shoe for him, so they made one in the army factory. This delay caused the meeting with the Khedive to be rescheduled. He also had a tashrifa تشريفة suit for him as well, which is the formal attire at the time embroidered with gold and silver threads. As someone from a rural area, he always carried a naboot نبوت with him, which is a staff that all men of stature had. He was told to leave the staff outside, and not take it with him. He refused and said that he would not go to the meeting if he was not allowed to take the staff. He was allowed to do so.

In the meeting, the Khedive said: "Oh Hajj, are you sure that you want to go through with giving up the land?" And also said: "Your sons and grandsons will curse you because you wasted their wealth". El Gada' replied: "I will have no sons or grandsons if I do not give up this land". 

The family also traditionally held the position of "the 'Omda" (Village Head العمدة), where the last person to hold this position in the family was Mohamed Abdallah (my father's grandfather, alsocalled Abu Abdallah, since he was the son of Abdallah, which is an unusual form of Kunya) until his death. His son, Abdel Rahman (my grandfather's half brother) held the position of "Sheikh El Balad شيخ البلد" afterwards, while the 'Omda position when to the rival Zaher family.

Ahmed died in October 1996, age 86.

Origins

The family is said to have settled the South West area of El Sakakra, taking the hill area as its residence. The other big family in the village, and rival, are the Zaher family who lived in the North East area.

The family is said to have moved to Egypt from the Levant (Syria?). 

Claim for being Omar's descendants

Traditionally, the family claimed descent from Omar Ibn Al Khattab, the second Caliph in Islam. On two occasions I asked Ahmed, my grandfather, about this, and on one occasion he confirmed it, and said that one of our relatives (his cousin or something) did go to The National Archives in Cairo دار الوثائق و المحفوظات and paid a search fee, and confirmed this family tale as true. He also said that some family traits are the same as Omar (including loud voice!). On another occasion he quoted the Quranic verse: إن أكرمكم عند الله اتقاكم "The best of you in the eyes of God are those who are most God aware (pious)", making a moral statement that one should not be hyper aware of ancestry and such, and what counts is one's behavior and actions.

That also makes us belong to the Arab Tribe of Quraysh.

Whatever the case may be, there were always claims that some of Omar's descendants did indeed settle in Egypt.

Siblings of Baheyeldin

Baheyeldin was the eldest son of Ahmed. He was born in 1931, and died in 19 April 1967.

Gamal جمال was the second son, born in 1933, and died in 29 August  1953.

Ratiba رتيبة(Toto توتو) was born in February 1938, and died in 23 September 1982. She married Abdel Rahman Mohamed Abdel Rahman Atteya El Eis عبد الرحمن محمد عبد الرحمن عطية العيس. She had Ahmad Hamdy احمد حمدي, Elham إالهام , Safwat صفوت and Ma'ali معالي.

Laila ليلى was a teacher. She married into the Zaher زاهر family. She had Tarek طارق, Mayy مي, Dalia داليا and Anas أنس.

Moaz معاذ has a Ph.D and is professor of architecture in Benha University in Shobra. Has Shadi شادي and Sagi ساجي. 

Fatma فاطمة graduated from Fine Arts in Alexandria. She married Ismail Abdel Hamid Ismail (distant family name is Agha El Araniali أغا الأرانيلي) who comes from a landowner family in a nearby village. They have yet another claim to Turkish ancestry. She had Ghada غادة and Abdel Hamid عبد الحميد.

Anas أنس was an air force pilot, now retired. He has Alia علياء, Mohamed محمد and Ahmad أحمد from his first wife, and a younger son from a second wife called Abdallah عبد الله.


Baheyeldin's Mother

Mohamed Baheyeldin's mother was Nageia Hanim نجية هانم Soliman Mahmoud (born 1912, died 13 January 1984 in El Sakakra).

Her father was Soliman Mahmoud Abdel Baqi سليمان محمود عبد الباقي, and his distant family name was Oghlo أوغلو which is from Turkish Oglu meaning "son of" or "descendant of".

Soliman died 2 September 1947. He was originally from a village called Mit El Kholi Abella ميت الخولي عبد الله from Daqahleyya governerate الدقهلية close to Damietta دمياط.

His family roots are said to be from the Caucaus mountains, most probably Circassian, who left that area because of Tsarist Russia's encroachment there in the 19th century. Other Circassian families have immigrated from the Caucaus and settled in Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt, including, for example, the well known Abaza family in Egypt, or the influential Circassians families in Jordan.

Soliman's wife was Ratiba Hassan Zaher رتيبة حسن زاهر. Her father Hassan Zaher has a maqam مقام (masouleum) near El Mansoura المنصورة. Hassan's father was Turkish from Ankara.

Soliman worked as agriculture superintendant for rich land owners. He started with someone called Count/Compte Sa'ab الكونت صعب who was one of the non-Egyptian landowners. The Royal Family of Egypt purchased land from that count, and Soliman was an employee for them, overseeing their land and property. Another possibility is that the land that passed to the Royal family was at least partially that was given up by the Gada' family (as above). Farida He started in the town of Dekernes in Daqahleyya دكرنس الدقهلية), going where his work takes him, including Queen Farida's agricultural land in El Farideyya الفريدية, which was known as El Sakakra. during the few years he was there, his eldest daughter married Ahmed Abdalla (see above), and his son Hassan was born.

Siblings of Nageia

Mohamed  Farid محمد فريد (born 7 January 1910, died in Alexandria 16 July 2000). He dropped the Farid from his name at some point after confusion at work. He was also known briefly as el Geloudi الجلودي because his father owned a tannery.

Lived in Alexandria, married Thoraya Hamdy ثريا حمدي who is the sister of Ahmed Hamdy احمد حمدي who died in the 1973 war, and the tunnel linking Sinai with the rest of Egypt is named after him.

His sons are Mohamed El Said (pediatrician), Ahmad (Ear, Nose and Throat physician in USA), Mahmoud (hospitality in Florida), and Mostafa (police officer).

Nageia Hanim (see above)

Ehsan Hanim إحسان هانم (born 1914, died 12 January 1954). Married Ahmed Lotfi Abdel Latif El Nagdi أحمد لطفي عبد اللطيف النجدي , son of the Omda عمدة of El Qebab El Soghra  القباب الصغرى and lived in Alexandria. Has Mohamed, Mahmoud and Samira.

Mahmoud Noshi محمود نصحي (born 1916, died 2 February 1942) was an officer in the Royal Cavalry of Egypt, and died suddenly on his wedding night.

Abdel Mon'em عبد  المنعم (born 1921, died 20 December 1990).

Saad El Din سعد الدين (born 8 January 1924 in Tel Hawin تل حوين, died 29 June 2000).

Hassan Kamel حسن كامل (born 7 January 1928 in عزبة البرنس Ezbet El Berens [Prince's Estate] El Farideyya الفريدية, died 4 July 1993). He immigrated to Germany and married Lotti, a Swiss, then resettled in Cairo, Egypt with a lot of business wealth. Has one daughter, Souzy who lives in Germany.

Ahmed Mokhtar أحمد مختار (born 28 September 1932 in Cairo).

Amin Adil أمين عادل (born 1 April 1938 in Abdin عابدين Cairo). Lives in Alexandria. Has Sally سالي and Sandy ساندي. 

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Great job,Khalid! Please

Great job,Khalid!
Please apply some updates, if you wish:
(our cousin Mostafa is not just a police officer, he is a high-ranking law enforcement officer in Alexandria, "lewaa" I believe...).

Abdel Moneim married Ehsan El-Toudy, a descendent of 2 generations of Azhar chairmen, had 2 sons Dr. Osama, dean of school of engineering in USA, and Hazem, businessman deceased in 2010, and one daughter, Samia, living in USA.

Saad ElDin had 2 sons Fatehy (deceased) and Soliman, and one daughter Eman.

Hassan Kamel married in Egypt to Lotti Bucher from Switzerland, then lived and had engineering businesses in Germany and in Kuwait for a few years before he settled back in Egypt in 1970... Had one daughter Susi (not Souzy) currently living in Germany.

Ahmed Soliman had 2 children from his first wife, Ayman and Eman, both living in Egypt, and one daughter from his second wife, Heba, currently living in Saudi Arabia.

Amin Adel passed away in Alexandria in 2012. Had 2 daughters Saly, living in Doha, and Sandy living in Alexandria, Egypt.

Shouldn't you also say some more about your mom too?

Thank you very much, Khalid!
Samia