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By Khalid on 2008/11/22 - 20:17, last updated 2008/12/28 - 15:53

A word of caution for female tourists visiting Egypt: be careful of the many of the men working in tourist areas in Egypt.

Although the vast majority of Egyptians have a high sense of honor and good conduct, it seems that tourist areas seem to attract a relatively high concentration of people with lax morals, who would exploit tourists in many ways. It can manifest itself as persistent aggressive begging, peddling cheap goods, charging 10X the normal prices for services and goods, and what this article focuses on: exploiting female tourists.

Looking at the bulk of the comments on my notes on compulsory army service in egypt they are mostly from non-Egyptian women who married (or intend to marry) an Egyptian man, and army service has become an obstacle.

So, once you here the word "habibti" (meaning "my love" in Arabic), and before you call him "Habibi", let alone go down the marriage route, read on below for more information.

The exploitation happens in many forms, but is normally centered around one of the following:

Easy and Free Sex

Many tourists come from countries where sex is more freely practiced outside of marriage. Youn g Egyptian men working in tourist areas who
are not married see this as an opportunity, and are met with acceptance from the female tourists.

A source for Money

Many Egyptian men who practice this scam view the "wealthy" tourist as a source of income. They keep asking their "girl friend", "fiance" or "wife" for money for various excuses, just like a professional scammer would play a confidence game on a victim.

An Opporunity for Immigration

Some of those men want to get out of Egypt, and see their marriage as a way to gain residence and citizenship in a Western country. The economy in Egypt has been stagnant for decades, and poverty, lack of opportunity and the high cost of marriage lures some youth to trying these tricks.

Why it works?

There are several factors that work in favor of the Egyptian scammers here.

One factor that helps is that most Egyptian men look desirable to Western women, being of darker complexion than their compatriots. The fact that the foreigners are white blonds work in making the women attractive and desirable for Egyptian men.

Another factor is that the woman is coming to the tourist place to have a good time. It may be a break from stressful work or study, or perhaps a past relationship. This helps blind her to what is happening.

Yet another factor is the cultural differences which also create temporary blindness.

Moreover, those workers being away from their village or city of origin, where they would be observed by their extended family and friends tend to make it easier for them to engage in sexual relationships and scams without being scrutinized by acquaintenaces, and no stigma is attached to these behaviors.

Finally, the scammers have perfected their techniques over the years, and are very skillful at what they do.

Blacklists

Blacklists have emerged on the internet, to warn potential female tourists from known exploiters. These have all the faults of user contributed content on the internet in that they can be innacurate, biased, or even rigged by rivals or pranksters. However, in the absence of any other information, they can be useful, provided they are taken with a good deal of skepticism and research and common sense applied.

  • An overview article on what a "black list" is, at Arabia.pl.
  • Dezy House: Blacklist for Hurghada, in English.
  • Dezy House: Blacklist for Sharm El Sheikh, in English.
  • Wanted List of Egypt.
  • Egyptian Blacklist on Topix.
  • KunstKamera blacklist.

Happens everywhere, not only Egypt

Before someone gets the impression that Egypt is a cesspool, and Egyptians are crooks, let me say it is neither.

The problem above is not limited to Egypt by any means. Any country where tourists come in to spend money has its share of exploiters. The above black lists have a Turkish one, and a Tunisian one, and there are lots of stories about French, Italian and Spanish men exploiting women tourists as well.

Of course, there is also the Russian bride fraud targeting well to do men in the West.

So, the problem is universal, although this article focuses on female tourists to Egypt.

Final Thoughts

There are many non-Egyptian women married to Egyptian men happily, so over-generalizing from the cases mentioned, or from workers at tourist resort is wrong. Chances are you will be happy with an Egyptian as a husband if you met him in a more natural settings, e.g. while studying or working, and getting to meet his family as well.

The "artificial" environment in resorts, being on holiday, and surrounded by some scammers lend itself to the disasters described.

So, beware ... 

Further Reading

  • Marwa Rakha: Relationship Warning: Do not get involved with Egyptian Men (also here).
  • Global Voices: "Beware of Egyptian Men" says Canadian Embassy, also by Marwa Rakha.
  • Trailing Grouse: Egyptian men marrying women for money.
  • Yahoo Answers: Egyptian Men marrying foreign women to get out from Egypt.
  • Sex, Sun, Stupidity and Gigolos.
  • Amy Robson: n English girl who keeps falling in false love with Egyptian men (she finally returned to Britain).
  • Someone searching on KunstKamera: for Honest Egyptian Boys?
  • List if sites on Romance Fraud in German, and other languages.
  • A movie documentary in the making on holiday romance, specially Hurghada.
  • Female Sex Tourism on Wikipedia, has lots of links to extensive articles. While Turkey is listed as a major destination, Egypt, Tunisia, and Morocco are listed as "minor destinations".
  • An article from a Canadian perspective: Sex tourism in full boom. Jamaica, Barbados, Dominican Republic and the Caribbean are the major destination for Canadian women.
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Mary (not verified)

Thank you Isis, I agree with

Mon, 2011/02/28 - 13:42

Thank you Isis, I agree with you. What's so strange is that suddenly the friendship turned into more, and in the course of 2 weeks he wants to get married. Also, he is being very persistent about me visiting him in Egypt, which raises a Red Flag. I use a lot of caution when I find a person contradicting themselves. At first he says he would never let his wife work then in another conversation he says he would help me find work there. He has also said that he would never have a woman pay for him and support him, yet later in another conversation he says if his money isn’t enough for us to live on, if I could also work. Then before the marriage conversation he said it would be hard for us to get married in Egypt because of the age difference, but he wants me to be with him there forever, what could this mean… how strange! And earlier before the marriage conversation he had said he would like to make money and live in the USA. And there are other things that he has said that are contradicting. It sounds to me like he is either not sure of himself and what he wants, or is hiding behind his words and switching his mind, or not remembering what he has told me earlier. Who knows what the case may be or what’s going on in his head, but all I know is that he raises a lot of Red Flags for me. I’m not sure why he is so eager for me to visit him in Egypt maybe he has to join the military soon and needs me there for some reason. I found out about the military service in another reading here, and now I’m thinking that might be a reason he wants me there so badly to help him with money. Anyway, whatever the case may be, I will not fall for this guy’s sweet talking charm that he uses to lure women with.

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Isis (not verified)

Well done Mary

Thu, 2011/03/03 - 00:18

You are wise not to continue any sort of contact with this man. I have seen these young men in the internet cafes of Cairo and Luxor particularly, scrolling the social network sites and selecting the women that they will target. Sometimes they will have bets among themselves to see who can get a foreign woman to say "I love you" first and others play a game to see how much money they can be sent by the women that they are preying on. It's all very sad for both the women they are stalking and the men as well, because they think they have no prospects of a productive life unless they can score an unsuspecting victim. Fortunately, most foreign women see the red flags after only a couple of "chats" and that's the end of the "money tree" dream.

All the best.

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Mary (not verified)

Thanks Again Khalid!

Sun, 2011/02/27 - 19:14

I will not do it. I am wise and onto this guy. I just needed an opinion on him from a expert that is knowledgeable. He just sounded so sweet and sincere. I guess I didn't want to see him as a scam. I guess you can call him a sheep in wolves clothing. lol... Thanks again for your explanation of a "text book case." And for all the information you provide on your website. We all greatly appreciate the time you put into answering us all!

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Khalid

No expert

Sun, 2011/02/27 - 19:33

I am not an expert on this. I am merely someone who observed this happening a lot via this site, and decided to do something about it.

Glad that you have decided against.

To Hanan: can you pitch in here too?

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Hannan (not verified)

Khaled is absolutely right, I

Tue, 2011/03/08 - 13:15

Khaled is absolutely right, I have seen christian men with older women and they have married them orfi style, but they are very cautious about marrying in the embassy. They Do want children, and they will want a young virgin bride. Muslim or christian makes no difference, anything over 5 years younger(either way) rings alarm bells in my mind, also the orthodox christians will only marry in their church to another of the same faith. Mary just enjoy your conversations with these men and don't take it serious.

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Mary (not verified)

Thanks Hannan, I know Khaled

Tue, 2011/03/08 - 17:14

Thanks Hannan, I know Khaled is absolutely right about this. The strange thing is the Christian guy, says his church would not allow us to get married because of the age difference and that we would get married in the US embassy there. So, why is he not cautious about getting married in the embassy? And by the way, why are the guys cautious about getting married in the embassy? I'm just wondering...
And by the way he changed his song and dance, now he says since we can't get married in his church there, for me to go there, marry him in the US embassy, and then he could come with me to the US...I ended it with him before your postings, saying he is too young, but he keeps trying to continue it, saying age is not a problem...And I've told him it is to me, and that why are you in such a rush, and he says he's not in any rush, but it seems like it to me. He keeps trying and trying to get back with me, and he also says he is not a liar, which again raises red flags because I know he is one. (I know he is using me as a way out of his country, it is so obvious, even more so when he has said several times that he is not a liar, which indicates that he is one!)

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Hannan (not verified)

Mary you are doing the right

Wed, 2011/03/09 - 12:13

Mary you are doing the right thing, of course he will try anything to get out of Egypt, especially after all the problems just recently, also the only way to get to your country is by marrying you, after he is settled he will get a divorce then leave you. One way of testing a man who might be sincere is to ask him to introduce you to his family, if they approve of the two of you getting married, then you could think about it. You don't know him so be very wary. from Hanan UK.

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Mahmoud (not verified)

And also offer

Sun, 2011/03/13 - 06:05

I agree with Mary, and also propose to him that you would like to live in Egypt and start discussing it with him...

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AHMED (not verified)

LET'S STOP STRETYPING

Sat, 2011/03/26 - 10:45

If there is 5 million stupid asses who r working in tourism being and acting that way, still 80 million and who u still dont know about, the problem is not being **** Egyptian or anything, the problem is WHO YOU ARE ??
if all the **** 5 million are stupid asses and animals, there are still great ppl. let's think right,,
any woman on earth, can know exactly if a guy true love her or not, and true love her for her soul. not FOR HER BODY OR HER MONEY OR HER COUNTRY,,
Let's be more open minded,,
and a have peaceful world, no difference between us,
it's doesn't matter religion or color or background or anything
Wat matters is WHO WE ARE..

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Been There (not verified)

Egyptian men on the prowl

Thu, 2011/03/31 - 00:39

It's a cultural thing...doesnt have much, if anything, to do with religion. Egyptian men are raised from birth to believe they are "entitled". Morals and manners have gone out the window here, as has being able to tell the truth. There is no accountability. It's all about what's good for them, and they dont care how many lives they ruin in the process.

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