A word of caution for female tourists visiting Egypt: be careful of the many of the men working in tourist areas in Egypt.
Although the vast majority of Egyptians have a high sense of honor and good conduct, it seems that tourist areas seem to attract a relatively high concentration of people with lax morals, who would exploit tourists in many ways. It can manifest itself as persistent aggressive begging, peddling cheap goods, charging 10X the normal prices for services and goods, and what this article focuses on: exploiting female tourists.
Looking at the bulk of the comments on my notes on compulsory army service in egypt they are mostly from non-Egyptian women who married (or intend to marry) an Egyptian man, and army service has become an obstacle.
So, once you here the word "habibti" (meaning "my love" in Arabic), and before you call him "Habibi", let alone go down the marriage route, read on below for more information.
The exploitation happens in many forms, but is normally centered around one of the following:
Easy and Free Sex
Many tourists come from countries where sex is more freely practiced outside of marriage. Youn g Egyptian men working in tourist areas who
are not married see this as an opportunity, and are met with acceptance from the female tourists.
A source for Money
Many Egyptian men who practice this scam view the "wealthy" tourist as a source of income. They keep asking their "girl friend", "fiance" or "wife" for money for various excuses, just like a professional scammer would play a confidence game on a victim.
An Opporunity for Immigration
Some of those men want to get out of Egypt, and see their marriage as a way to gain residence and citizenship in a Western country. The economy in Egypt has been stagnant for decades, and poverty, lack of opportunity and the high cost of marriage lures some youth to trying these tricks.
Why it works?
There are several factors that work in favor of the Egyptian scammers here.
One factor that helps is that most Egyptian men look desirable to Western women, being of darker complexion than their compatriots. The fact that the foreigners are white blonds work in making the women attractive and desirable for Egyptian men.
Another factor is that the woman is coming to the tourist place to have a good time. It may be a break from stressful work or study, or perhaps a past relationship. This helps blind her to what is happening.
Yet another factor is the cultural differences which also create temporary blindness.
Moreover, those workers being away from their village or city of origin, where they would be observed by their extended family and friends tend to make it easier for them to engage in sexual relationships and scams without being scrutinized by acquaintenaces, and no stigma is attached to these behaviors.
Finally, the scammers have perfected their techniques over the years, and are very skillful at what they do.
Blacklists
Blacklists have emerged on the internet, to warn potential female tourists from known exploiters. These have all the faults of user contributed content on the internet in that they can be innacurate, biased, or even rigged by rivals or pranksters. However, in the absence of any other information, they can be useful, provided they are taken with a good deal of skepticism and research and common sense applied.
- An overview article on what a "black list" is, at Arabia.pl.
- Dezy House: Blacklist for Hurghada, in English.
- Dezy House: Blacklist for Sharm El Sheikh, in English.
- Wanted List of Egypt.
- Egyptian Blacklist on Topix.
- KunstKamera blacklist.
Happens everywhere, not only Egypt
Before someone gets the impression that Egypt is a cesspool, and Egyptians are crooks, let me say it is neither.
The problem above is not limited to Egypt by any means. Any country where tourists come in to spend money has its share of exploiters. The above black lists have a Turkish one, and a Tunisian one, and there are lots of stories about French, Italian and Spanish men exploiting women tourists as well.
Of course, there is also the Russian bride fraud targeting well to do men in the West.
So, the problem is universal, although this article focuses on female tourists to Egypt.
Final Thoughts
There are many non-Egyptian women married to Egyptian men happily, so over-generalizing from the cases mentioned, or from workers at tourist resort is wrong. Chances are you will be happy with an Egyptian as a husband if you met him in a more natural settings, e.g. while studying or working, and getting to meet his family as well.
The "artificial" environment in resorts, being on holiday, and surrounded by some scammers lend itself to the disasters described.
So, beware ...
Further Reading
- Marwa Rakha: Relationship Warning: Do not get involved with Egyptian Men (also here).
- Global Voices: "Beware of Egyptian Men" says Canadian Embassy, also by Marwa Rakha.
- Trailing Grouse: Egyptian men marrying women for money.
- Yahoo Answers: Egyptian Men marrying foreign women to get out from Egypt.
- Sex, Sun, Stupidity and Gigolos.
- Amy Robson: n English girl who keeps falling in false love with Egyptian men (she finally returned to Britain).
- Someone searching on KunstKamera: for Honest Egyptian Boys?
- List if sites on Romance Fraud in German, and other languages.
- A movie documentary in the making on holiday romance, specially Hurghada.
- Female Sex Tourism on Wikipedia, has lots of links to extensive articles. While Turkey is listed as a major destination, Egypt, Tunisia, and Morocco are listed as "minor destinations".
- An article from a Canadian perspective: Sex tourism in full boom. Jamaica, Barbados, Dominican Republic and the Caribbean are the major destination for Canadian women.
Comments
Fragile Heart (not verified)
He's got other victims too...
Thu, 2010/04/29 - 13:27I just got an email from UK. There is someone there who is also married to ahmed nagah and was pregnant for him earlier, but lost the baby. Apparently while he was constantly calling me trying to make me move back to Egypt, he was also calling her begging her to try to have another baby with him....
Mindy (not verified)
stories of a foreigner living in Egypt
Sat, 2010/05/01 - 07:09before ever coming to Egypt, I had experienced loads of Egyptian casanovas over the internet. Some of them seemed harmless and we exchanged phone numbers. Big mistake! suddenly my phone would ring day and night, sometimes at 4AM... eventually, I became rude to them and told them all to stop or I would change my phone number. all but one stopped.
some time after, I moved to Egypt, came here for work-not love. immediately, the Egyptian men crawled from everywhere, pouring compliments and expressing their eternal love. I let some take me out for tours, dinners and drinks but that's as far as it ever got. I made some extraodinary friends along the way.
up until today, I've been hearing stories and stories about women being loured over the internet or tourists from resorts into falling for all the wrong reasons. basically they believed the words and not the actions. the results in most cases are:
- they move back to the country of her origin (Europe) and as soon as they get there, he finds someone richer or simply dissapears into the ether
- the money is gone and so is the "husband"
let me tell you that some of these women bring with them innocent children from their previous marriages, sometimes into extreme poverty and put them in lousy filthy public schools which to us Europeans are unimaginable. so these innocent (sometimes blond, blue-eyed) kids can be abused by the local children and exposed to different kinds of violence, even sexual...
think twice before ever saying YES to an Egyptian.
one rule of thumb when it comes to Egyptian men: don't pay for anything. let them do it. it's customary in Egypt for men to pay for everything. as soon as they start crying about how they lost it all in some bogus investment or how their business is gone and they are thinking about suicide... LEAVE THE PICTURE!
Egyptian Tours (not verified)
Egyptian Holidays
Mon, 2010/05/03 - 21:29Yes, I've heard about these kinds of problems but I think you'd be stupid going alone as a woman anyway. Unless you are an incredibly rich slut who doesn't mind.
Males are exploited heavily by females in places like Indonesia, Thailand, Cambodia etc...
Egyptians are better looking though :)
Anonymous (not verified)
MOheb Gerges Stay Clear
Thu, 2010/05/06 - 09:23i would just like to to u about my boyfriend who i ave been wiv for 3 years now. he is call MOHEB GERGES and he works in the coral sea imperial and have recently move to a new hotel which one i am unsure of. For 3 years he has taken money of me to finish his home and build our life together and recently i have just found out he is engaged to someone else i have been out several times to my account i have been to him 9 times in the last 3 years i have the ofri papers wiv him and i have also slept wiv him several times and got pregnant twice but unfortuantely due to the stress lost them both.
This man is a con man and looks to me like he is jumping from one lady to the next for the sex n the money n a free holiday. everytime i have gone we have stayed in Delta sharm in a private appartment self catering and we have done a few trips but i have paid for all of them n also recently i have found out that he has been wiv several other ladies which he has told me about just recently.
How can i report this man because as far as i am concerned he his a cheat n he has taken my money off me several times please help me i need some advise i and want to stop this man hurting anymore english ladies like me - BEWARE OF MOHEB GERGES
zampokh (not verified)
what a bias
Sat, 2010/05/08 - 06:48I'm sorry for all ladies here but marrying to an Egyptian guy became like an outbreak. I see this topic every where I go on the net. most of these stories happened between mature western ladies and young Egyptian guys. please nobody convince me that you were fooled. a thirty some thing years old woman coming for one or tow weeks trip in a strange country and fall in love with a security man in her hotel what a shit is this.
you are trying to picture yourself as a victims, no you are not. you came for sex and you had this sex and you paid the price of your pleasure, It's a fair deal ladies.
for those who are looking really for a life mate, this is very funny actually. you came in a tow weeks trip in a different culture and different community and you are expecting to meet men from heaven take you on a white hoarse and bring to you all happiness in life on a sliver plate. what is this for god sake??????
ladies, I have one question for you all, if Egyptian men are that bad what pushed all these women to get involved in a relationship with an Egyptian guy. and if you have better men in your home countries what brought you here to search for pleasure and happiness.
stop complaining you are not angels.
Isis (not verified)
What Bias?
Sun, 2010/05/09 - 08:54Typical comment from a male who sees himself as totally blameless in conning foreign women.
"you are trying to picture yourself as a victims, no you are not. you came for sex and you had this sex and you paid the price of your pleasure, ... " This is a sickening comment and uninformed and totally untrue. How does coming to Egypt for a holiday
and to see the antiquites equate to coming to Egypt for sex. WHen the sleaze bags hang around the hotels and lurk outside the train stations waiting to pounce on any vulnerable western woman that looks to have some money in their wallets. They are then persued relentlessly with all the sob stories and charm as well. Unless these women are seasoned travellers and know the MO they have no chance. If these men chase enough women they are sure to score a few hits at some stage.
Ingoramus and woman hater are some words that spring to mind in describing your comments. Go away!
zampokh (not verified)
my friend you divert the
Wed, 2010/05/12 - 07:52my friend you divert the discussion to a different direction and you aren't focusing on the core of the proplem by the way i wasn't ever involved in a relation with a western woman and torism is not my career but i refuse that some body humaliate my mind those owmen are not victems by any mean a mature lady mostly above thirty and give up herself for a strange persone in a ow weeks trip is not a victem by any mean she is looking for cusal sex all what i ask for is to stop cmplaning becuse we are not stupid to accept this.
Khalid
Your logic is flawed
Wed, 2010/05/12 - 09:54I think what you are saying is that "they brought it onto themselves", which is sort of correct.
Where you make an illogical leap is that one error does not justify the other: that they went out looking for men in a foreign setting is of course stupid and at least ill informed.
What you are saying is that these women's stupidness is an excuse that absolves these men from any wrong doing, conning women, playing on their emotions, getting their money, ...etc.
This is like saying Nigerian scammers are justified in their scams on poor people in Egypt and India because these people are greedy.
This is flawed logic and is not morally acceptable.
Both are to blame, to varying degrees, and for different things.
zampokh (not verified)
the two examples are not
Thu, 2010/05/13 - 06:30the two examples are not equal. while searching for prophet is not a sin, casual sex is a different story and what iam trying to say is, its a fair deal both are doing bad so its unacceptable that one side after taking the joy comes and claime that he was cheeted, no no no you where fully aware you are not victems and again again again if you have better men in your home counteries why you came here. stop complaning please we are not stupid.
and for the lady which said that egyptian men think that western women are their gait for free sex, looooooooooooool after all these stories do you think egyptian men were wrong??? you made yourself cheap so don't blame any body who think bad of you and no body tells me its love, no it's not.
Khalid
Wrong again ...
Thu, 2010/05/13 - 11:13What you are saying is that one wrong (Western women looking for sex) makes the other right (Men in tourist areas playing on these women's emotions and getting money).
Sadly, this kind of thinking is prevalent today, morals having declined to what they are. And this reasoning is completely wrong.
First, not all women are looking for such quick pleasure. Many as you have seen in the comments are just enjoying Egypt's history and hospitality. Yes, a few are looking for pleasure, but that never justifies more wrongs by the other side.
So, you make it right for the men to:
a) Lie about being in love with these women.
b) Lie about being unmarried.
c) Lie about marrying them.
d) Take money from them under false pretense (surgery, land, house)
So, in your morally deficient mind, you are saying that doing all the above is wrong, because the other side was seeking pleasure?
This is like saying it is justified to hit someone who insulted you, or killing someone who hit you. No, this is absolutely wrong!
Let me be clear: the women who are out looking for sex and holiday flirt are wrong for sure. But like you learned in pre-school, two wrongs do not make a right.
Each side is responsible for the wrong they did, one is not absolved because the other started with a wrong.
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