A word of caution for female tourists visiting Egypt: be careful of the many of the men working in tourist areas in Egypt.
Although the vast majority of Egyptians have a high sense of honor and good conduct, it seems that tourist areas seem to attract a relatively high concentration of people with lax morals, who would exploit tourists in many ways. It can manifest itself as persistent aggressive begging, peddling cheap goods, charging 10X the normal prices for services and goods, and what this article focuses on: exploiting female tourists.
Looking at the bulk of the comments on my notes on compulsory army service in egypt they are mostly from non-Egyptian women who married (or intend to marry) an Egyptian man, and army service has become an obstacle.
So, once you here the word "habibti" (meaning "my love" in Arabic), and before you call him "Habibi", let alone go down the marriage route, read on below for more information.
The exploitation happens in many forms, but is normally centered around one of the following:
Easy and Free Sex
Many tourists come from countries where sex is more freely practiced outside of marriage. Youn g Egyptian men working in tourist areas who
are not married see this as an opportunity, and are met with acceptance from the female tourists.
A source for Money
Many Egyptian men who practice this scam view the "wealthy" tourist as a source of income. They keep asking their "girl friend", "fiance" or "wife" for money for various excuses, just like a professional scammer would play a confidence game on a victim.
An Opporunity for Immigration
Some of those men want to get out of Egypt, and see their marriage as a way to gain residence and citizenship in a Western country. The economy in Egypt has been stagnant for decades, and poverty, lack of opportunity and the high cost of marriage lures some youth to trying these tricks.
Why it works?
There are several factors that work in favor of the Egyptian scammers here.
One factor that helps is that most Egyptian men look desirable to Western women, being of darker complexion than their compatriots. The fact that the foreigners are white blonds work in making the women attractive and desirable for Egyptian men.
Another factor is that the woman is coming to the tourist place to have a good time. It may be a break from stressful work or study, or perhaps a past relationship. This helps blind her to what is happening.
Yet another factor is the cultural differences which also create temporary blindness.
Moreover, those workers being away from their village or city of origin, where they would be observed by their extended family and friends tend to make it easier for them to engage in sexual relationships and scams without being scrutinized by acquaintenaces, and no stigma is attached to these behaviors.
Finally, the scammers have perfected their techniques over the years, and are very skillful at what they do.
Blacklists
Blacklists have emerged on the internet, to warn potential female tourists from known exploiters. These have all the faults of user contributed content on the internet in that they can be innacurate, biased, or even rigged by rivals or pranksters. However, in the absence of any other information, they can be useful, provided they are taken with a good deal of skepticism and research and common sense applied.
- An overview article on what a "black list" is, at Arabia.pl.
- Dezy House: Blacklist for Hurghada, in English.
- Dezy House: Blacklist for Sharm El Sheikh, in English.
- Wanted List of Egypt.
- Egyptian Blacklist on Topix.
- KunstKamera blacklist.
Happens everywhere, not only Egypt
Before someone gets the impression that Egypt is a cesspool, and Egyptians are crooks, let me say it is neither.
The problem above is not limited to Egypt by any means. Any country where tourists come in to spend money has its share of exploiters. The above black lists have a Turkish one, and a Tunisian one, and there are lots of stories about French, Italian and Spanish men exploiting women tourists as well.
Of course, there is also the Russian bride fraud targeting well to do men in the West.
So, the problem is universal, although this article focuses on female tourists to Egypt.
Final Thoughts
There are many non-Egyptian women married to Egyptian men happily, so over-generalizing from the cases mentioned, or from workers at tourist resort is wrong. Chances are you will be happy with an Egyptian as a husband if you met him in a more natural settings, e.g. while studying or working, and getting to meet his family as well.
The "artificial" environment in resorts, being on holiday, and surrounded by some scammers lend itself to the disasters described.
So, beware ...
Further Reading
- Marwa Rakha: Relationship Warning: Do not get involved with Egyptian Men (also here).
- Global Voices: "Beware of Egyptian Men" says Canadian Embassy, also by Marwa Rakha.
- Trailing Grouse: Egyptian men marrying women for money.
- Yahoo Answers: Egyptian Men marrying foreign women to get out from Egypt.
- Sex, Sun, Stupidity and Gigolos.
- Amy Robson: n English girl who keeps falling in false love with Egyptian men (she finally returned to Britain).
- Someone searching on KunstKamera: for Honest Egyptian Boys?
- List if sites on Romance Fraud in German, and other languages.
- A movie documentary in the making on holiday romance, specially Hurghada.
- Female Sex Tourism on Wikipedia, has lots of links to extensive articles. While Turkey is listed as a major destination, Egypt, Tunisia, and Morocco are listed as "minor destinations".
- An article from a Canadian perspective: Sex tourism in full boom. Jamaica, Barbados, Dominican Republic and the Caribbean are the major destination for Canadian women.
Comments
Anonymous (not verified)
I did not start the 'thread',
Tue, 2012/07/03 - 02:49I did not start the 'thread', and am most certainly not deluded. You keep giving out 'advice', like some agony aunt, and for some reason, its now a bit suss.
For the women you are advising, fill them in, because I think you are one of these women, with an Orfi paper, spends a few weeks with your 'husband' every 6 months, you will be late 50's possible early 60's. You seem to know too much about the hotels, and IF you was married to an Egyptian, you would not be in the hotel, let alone, sunning by the pool watching these men in action!
I think its you, who posts in anonymously, to wind people up, and maybe you was turned by a certain someone, so you are sitting back enjoying the show. Think on that readers, she calls herself Isis.... ;-)
Isis (not verified)
Completely wrong
Tue, 2012/07/03 - 19:33Way off the mark - speculate and believe what you want to believe! On reflection, I am just not sure how many fiancees this man who you are protecting has. I "know" about hotels because I am in travel and I see the interactions between young Egyptian men and foreign women often and the end result is never good. I do not post "anonymously" and I use the same pseudonym each time. I note that you post "anonymously".
I really hope that you can get rid of the anger this man perpetuates in you and concentrate on your own well being for a change. This forum is not the type of platform you seek for answers to your personal issues - I will not respond to you again.
Anonymous (not verified)
But 'ISIS', you said you knew
Wed, 2012/07/04 - 06:02But 'ISIS', you said you knew this man and had seen him in action, so what on earth are you doing to be seeing him at 'work', eh? You are not a rep or worker in the hotel are you? And even though you give a name, you could be a troll stirring up trouble, like the other post suggested, as you could too be one of the women that has been spurned and is wanting some kind of payback! I won't be commenting again, and I sure hope to meet you in Egypt one day, as since you know him, then you will know me lol!! Ciao, ;-)
Anon'ymously' (not verified)
Dear Love of Hany's Life
Wed, 2012/07/04 - 17:27I have been following posts on this website for over a year now, and have always found the comments posted by Isis measured, calm and helpful. Anyone reading her posts is unlikely to consider her credibility in question. It is your own credibility that is in question. You need to chill out - A LOT! And take some time to do some research and be informed about the culture you are about to immerse yourself in and the man you are potentially going to marry. Words here are irrelevant. There have been posts here questioning the integrity of your 'future husband' and you have been extremely high volume in his defence - they stand as records for other people to make up their own minds. If he is a man of integrity, then anyone who knows him will know that about him, and anything written here will therefore be laughable. The truth will always out. Either he will be vindicated by his devotion to you and your relationship, and he will make every effort to care for you in the normal manner of an Egyptian man, or he will be revealed otherwise. The posts in this web -area are mainly about ensuring that women contemplating marriage or involvement with an Egyptian man can make an informed decision, and in many instances do protect women from manipulation and abuse.
Try to find balance, you will need it.
Isis (not verified)
Couldn't resist :)
Wed, 2012/07/04 - 20:27Dear Anonymous - I never said that I "KNEW" your fiancee, I have only seen and heard him in action around the pool area of the Nile Palace. I am not a "SPURNED" woman and I do not chase after Egyptian men. I will also never meet you here in Egypt because I do not "KNOW" your fiancee and my husband and I move in circles which does not include Egyptian men who scam and take advantage of foreign women.
All the best.
Anonymous/lynn/... (not verified)
I COULD NOT RESIST LOL, ;-)
Thu, 2012/07/05 - 04:10Come come, a pseudonym is being used by one person here, its what trolls do all the time, great party trick. We will see who is right, but lets just say Isis, I would read your replies, as you said you had seen this man in action, chatting and flirting with bikini clad Europeans, so either you was at the Nile Palace on a sun lounger, or you wasn't. Anyhow, I don't have issues anymore, neither am I deluded, once yes, when that old whore used my details to post my story with adding shit along the way and talking about his family, but she has been dealt with and I hope her husband divorces her for being one of these old slags that goes to Egypt to try and have sex with young men. As for me, I am safe in the knowledge I know to be the truth, not from old women on here who are hiding behind a keyboard, who has 'been there and done that, didn't get the t-shirt, but got ripped off' LOL, bye bye. <3
Isis (not verified)
To Khalid
Thu, 2012/07/05 - 19:51Could you please remove these comments as they are becoming abusive and offensive. Thank you.
Anon (not verified)
Dear oh dear oh dear . .
Fri, 2012/07/06 - 00:56'either you WERE at the Nile etc etc or you WEREN'T . . it's called the subjunctive dear! And, now I agree with Isis that you have lost the plot. If you bothered to read any of the posts here you would know that Lyn has been writing here about her mother's involvement with a man called Attia Ayeb. I have responded to one of your posts and I am also not Isis. Am I an old slag who visits Egypt to have sex with young men? I am a fitness instructor and I get asked out all the time by younger men in the UK - so I don't need to travel for that. I also rather imagine I have slept with a lot fewer men than you have! What defines a 'slag'? I did make the mistake of meeting a younger Egyptian while on holiday with my children (not on a holiday with friends), a man who I was supposed to marry at the end of Ramadan last year. Fortunately because I paid attention to the advice on this website, I was able to keep my head, and my money.
Khalid
Verified
Fri, 2012/07/06 - 01:08I have verified that Isis and the other Anon are different people. In fact, one is commenting from Britain, and other from Australia!
This has gone far enough and taken much more time than it deservers.
So, Anonymous/Lulu whoever you are, this is your last warning: stop posting, so you can come back and post later when you learn more about the situation, and be able to enlighten us with your experience.
Otherwise, I will be forced to block you from doing so, and you will not be able to come back and tell your experience later, like others have done.
lynn (not verified)
khalid
Fri, 2012/07/06 - 08:01when you say lynn are you referring to me?
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