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Did J.K. Rowling borrow heavily from J.R.R. Tolkien?

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By Khalid on 2004/06/05 - 23:40, last updated 2004/08/01 - 14:18

Is it just me, or did someone else notice?

Initially, after seeing "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer Stone", and "The Fellowship of the Ring", I thought there are too many similarities between them to be coincidental.

After seeing "The Chamber of Secrets", and reading a bit about "The Prisoner of Azkaban", I saw "Lord of the Rings" trilogy again at home on DVD.

I thought that there was a lot of borrowing that J.K. Rowling did from J.R.R. Tolkien.

Let us see a list of similarities:

Similarity Lord of the Rings Harry Potter
Villian Sauron is the head of evil. He lost his power, and needs the ring to gain it all back Voldemort is also a vanquished evil wizard. He needs the Sorcerer's Stone in order to gain his strength back
Unlikely Hero Frodo Baggins is a Hobbit, a peaceful -- almost childish -- and weak race. He is entrusted with the task of saving the world from great evil Harry is an 11 year orphan who does much the same
Special Object The One Ring is the object that the hero must prevent the villian from getting, so as to regain his full powers The Sorcerer's Stone is the same
Mentor/Protector Gandalf is a guiding, helping, mentoring, teaching figure for Frodo Professor Dumbledore is the same in the Harry Potter series
Troll In the Fellowship of the Ring, the Orcs have a Cave Troll with them, and in The Two Towers, the Cave Trolls open the gates of Mordor In Harry Potter II, there is a Mountain Troll, whom Harry and his friends have to overpower
Giant Spider Shelob is a giant spider that almost kills and eats Frodo, in The Return of the King In the forest, there is a talking spider. It is a friend of Hagred, but chases Harry wanting to eat him
Giant raptor bird A giant eagle saves Gandalf from Isengard In the Prisoner of Azkaban, Buckbeak is a giant raptor helping Harry and friends
Dragon In the Hobbit, the prelude to The Lord of the Rings, the dragon Smaug is Bilbo Baggins adversary In Harry Potter Chamber of Secrets, there is a dragon like reptilian monster, the Basilisk, whom Harry has to slay
Goblins The goblins are one of the races of evil allying with Sauron and Saruman There are goblins who run the bank. They are physically similar to the other ones, although mostly benign
Sidekick "Creature" In Lord of the Ring, Gollum is a creature with both dual good and evil personalities. He helps Frodo in his quest Dobby is a house elf who is both a hinderance and helpful at different times

Of course, J.K. Rowling has a lot of original ideas of her own, such as the concept of muggles, and the game of Quiddich.

My opinion is that she borrowed too many themes to be a coincidence. For sure she was "inspired" by Tolkien's Lord of the Ring, at least partially.

After writing this page, I found the following links that ponder some of the points above:

  • "Stone" and "Ring" look like 2 pages out of Same Spell-book
  • Wikipedia article has a brief mention of similarities.
  • A web page listing the similarities between Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings going into character details.
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Anonymous (not verified)

Frodo's Age

Thu, 2009/03/26 - 22:25

In the book itself Frodo is over 50 when he sets off with the ring.
(which is suprisingly the same age as Bilbo when he goes on his adventure) So some of your information might need checking.

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Cari (not verified)

Read the books, geesh.

Mon, 2010/09/13 - 01:58

"I'm pretty sure Sauron had nothing like horcruxes."

Sauron didn't die during the last alliance of elves and men because part of his life force was in the ring. What do you call that?

Also, the time span of LOTR is MUCH greater than Harry Potter. Frodo was in his fifties when he made the journey to Mordor, and the trip took three years if I remeber correctly. The movie is misleading.

I'd also like to point out Tolkien's use of eagles was not mythological, he just really loved them. Google it.

The only thing I think Rowling got from LOTR is the horcrux element. And before anyone starts in, I'd like to state that I have read all of the Harry Potter books as well as LOTR, The Hobbit, and a few other Tolkien books, and I enjoyed them all quite throuoghly.

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Anonymous (not verified)

No, he was 33

Mon, 2013/04/15 - 19:00

No, he was 33

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Anonymous (not verified)

1.) Souron has the ring with

Fri, 2011/07/15 - 08:01

1.) Souron has the ring with which he put his sould into. You must destroy the ring to destroy Souron, much like Voldemort, only Voldemort had several items instead of just one.

2.)Frodo and Harry are very much alike. Both have been orphaned and left to live with their Uncle. Both recieved scars from the enemy that cause physical and mental pain throughout their encounters. The rest that i can think of are very common and do not hold any relevence.

3.)No idea what you are saying there.

4.)I agree with you on this one. Gandalf and Dumbledore are very different. On one hand Gandalf is similar to that of an angel, he is awesome and can live forever basically. Dumbledore is and old, gay human who can die from old age just like everyone else. But the similarity with their character and purpose in the books are almost exactly the same.

5.)Actually, he is talking about the trolls in the hobbit, so by your own logic you are wrong by ignorance. But since we all know that is bullshit, i will go on to explain. In the hobbit, the group runs into, and gets captured by some trolls. Through the combined experience the group grew closer and gained a sense of comradery. Which is exactly what happens in harry potter, am i right?

6.) The concept of large spiders is very old and is not in any way original. Looking at this one fact alone is not the intended purpose. It looking at the big picture of basic, similar facts that add up. All of the similarities between both books are found in other books, but not this many. There are too many similarities between these two series to be coincidence. I'm not sayin Rowling stole from J.R.R. Tolkien, but she sure as hell did take a lot of ideas from him. I would say it's more of a homage to the greatest fantasy writter of all time.

7.)Again, it's the role that the creature/s play in the movie that make this similarity. This single fact is no proof, but added with everything else makes it just a little more convincing.

8.)...

9.) That one is dumb i'll give you that. The reason it was brought up is because the name is a similarity. Again as a stand alone it means nothing but added it with everything else it does.

10.)Gollum was not a hobbit. He was one of the river folk. Both talk in third person, both do what their "masters" command them, and both hinder and help the hero on his quest. It is not meant to be taken beyond that.

If Jo said she "doesn't really read fantasy" she is more full of bullshit than i originally thought. She took so many things from so many authors, but she added even more of her own original material to it. This is what every author does. Hell, J.R.R. Tolkien took many of his ideas from old mythology. The reason i think J.R.R. Tokien's books are so much better is because he actually created an entire world. Jo just created a world around her main character. In fact, Tolkien had to be pushed to write the lord of the rings. All his friends said that people needed something to be able to immerse themselves into the world that he had already created. That is why his books have so much detail in them. He created his world with gods and angels and wars and history. Then placed his characters in this world. Enough said.

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Anonymous (not verified)

this being is an obsessed

Tue, 2011/11/08 - 08:22

this being is an obsessed Harry Potter fan and has no sense of comparition.
similarities are obvious.
i think JKR had influences from Tolkien and thats what comes from it to her books. i dont think she's bad writer. and harry potter isn't a ripoff.
those who claim that JKR is worst writer, are just fans of unsuccessful books/writers who never had much of an attention from film industry or any other franchises.

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Anonymous (not verified)

I am a very avid fan of

Fri, 2006/12/08 - 18:21

I am a very avid fan of LOTR, and have read all books and seen all films of both of the series mentioned. The reason I say I'm an LOTR fan is that I very much agree with this and wonder how Rowling gets away with it. Why is she so rich from someone else's work?

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Will (not verified)

These features are all

Sun, 2007/01/28 - 21:05

These features are all common in fantasy writing in general. Both authors replay traditional folk images and stereotypes.

Both authors also borrowed heavily from classical mythology (especially when making their monsters) - so it is hardly surprising that they share creatures.

Fantasy is like that - you could make the same comparisons between Lewis and Tolkien, or Pullman and Rowling.

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Anonymous (not verified)

Azhar Bhaijan

Sat, 2007/04/14 - 02:44

Whassup Ponderosa? Ayo Batata. J K Rowling is a great inspiration to budding artists, musicians and batata wadas.

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Poppy (not verified)

yuh

Mon, 2007/04/23 - 15:06

i read somewhere that if rowling brings dumbledor back she's gonna get in big trouble.
i've only seen the lotr movies, i've read and seen all the harry potters.
i think they're very different.
i bet you could make a longer list of unsimilarities.

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Fantasy Scribbler (not verified)

Tenuous at best

Wed, 2007/06/27 - 02:23

I think it's ridiculous to say Rowling stole from Tolkien. As another poster stated, fantasy stories draw from myths and so will have similar themes. Rowling's blessed originality is in her characterization.

Sure, she has a dark lord. Yes, powerful magic devices too. And even dragons! My goodness!

Tolkien didn't invent any of these. He just happened to repopularize them. People who write these kinds of tales aren't all ripping him off. They're writing in a mythic tradition that stretches back to the ice age or, perhaps, further.

Rowling and Tolkien are of the same tradition. They are reintroducing myth to modern culture and for it they should be celebrated.

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