A word of caution for female tourists visiting Egypt: be careful of the many of the men working in tourist areas in Egypt.
Although the vast majority of Egyptians have a high sense of honor and good conduct, it seems that tourist areas seem to attract a relatively high concentration of people with lax morals, who would exploit tourists in many ways. It can manifest itself as persistent aggressive begging, peddling cheap goods, charging 10X the normal prices for services and goods, and what this article focuses on: exploiting female tourists.
Looking at the bulk of the comments on my notes on compulsory army service in egypt they are mostly from non-Egyptian women who married (or intend to marry) an Egyptian man, and army service has become an obstacle.
So, once you here the word "habibti" (meaning "my love" in Arabic), and before you call him "Habibi", let alone go down the marriage route, read on below for more information.
The exploitation happens in many forms, but is normally centered around one of the following:
Easy and Free Sex
Many tourists come from countries where sex is more freely practiced outside of marriage. Youn g Egyptian men working in tourist areas who
are not married see this as an opportunity, and are met with acceptance from the female tourists.
A source for Money
Many Egyptian men who practice this scam view the "wealthy" tourist as a source of income. They keep asking their "girl friend", "fiance" or "wife" for money for various excuses, just like a professional scammer would play a confidence game on a victim.
An Opporunity for Immigration
Some of those men want to get out of Egypt, and see their marriage as a way to gain residence and citizenship in a Western country. The economy in Egypt has been stagnant for decades, and poverty, lack of opportunity and the high cost of marriage lures some youth to trying these tricks.
Why it works?
There are several factors that work in favor of the Egyptian scammers here.
One factor that helps is that most Egyptian men look desirable to Western women, being of darker complexion than their compatriots. The fact that the foreigners are white blonds work in making the women attractive and desirable for Egyptian men.
Another factor is that the woman is coming to the tourist place to have a good time. It may be a break from stressful work or study, or perhaps a past relationship. This helps blind her to what is happening.
Yet another factor is the cultural differences which also create temporary blindness.
Moreover, those workers being away from their village or city of origin, where they would be observed by their extended family and friends tend to make it easier for them to engage in sexual relationships and scams without being scrutinized by acquaintenaces, and no stigma is attached to these behaviors.
Finally, the scammers have perfected their techniques over the years, and are very skillful at what they do.
Blacklists
Blacklists have emerged on the internet, to warn potential female tourists from known exploiters. These have all the faults of user contributed content on the internet in that they can be innacurate, biased, or even rigged by rivals or pranksters. However, in the absence of any other information, they can be useful, provided they are taken with a good deal of skepticism and research and common sense applied.
- An overview article on what a "black list" is, at Arabia.pl.
- Dezy House: Blacklist for Hurghada, in English.
- Dezy House: Blacklist for Sharm El Sheikh, in English.
- Wanted List of Egypt.
- Egyptian Blacklist on Topix.
- KunstKamera blacklist.
Happens everywhere, not only Egypt
Before someone gets the impression that Egypt is a cesspool, and Egyptians are crooks, let me say it is neither.
The problem above is not limited to Egypt by any means. Any country where tourists come in to spend money has its share of exploiters. The above black lists have a Turkish one, and a Tunisian one, and there are lots of stories about French, Italian and Spanish men exploiting women tourists as well.
Of course, there is also the Russian bride fraud targeting well to do men in the West.
So, the problem is universal, although this article focuses on female tourists to Egypt.
Final Thoughts
There are many non-Egyptian women married to Egyptian men happily, so over-generalizing from the cases mentioned, or from workers at tourist resort is wrong. Chances are you will be happy with an Egyptian as a husband if you met him in a more natural settings, e.g. while studying or working, and getting to meet his family as well.
The "artificial" environment in resorts, being on holiday, and surrounded by some scammers lend itself to the disasters described.
So, beware ...
Further Reading
- Marwa Rakha: Relationship Warning: Do not get involved with Egyptian Men (also here).
- Global Voices: "Beware of Egyptian Men" says Canadian Embassy, also by Marwa Rakha.
- Trailing Grouse: Egyptian men marrying women for money.
- Yahoo Answers: Egyptian Men marrying foreign women to get out from Egypt.
- Sex, Sun, Stupidity and Gigolos.
- Amy Robson: n English girl who keeps falling in false love with Egyptian men (she finally returned to Britain).
- Someone searching on KunstKamera: for Honest Egyptian Boys?
- List if sites on Romance Fraud in German, and other languages.
- A movie documentary in the making on holiday romance, specially Hurghada.
- Female Sex Tourism on Wikipedia, has lots of links to extensive articles. While Turkey is listed as a major destination, Egypt, Tunisia, and Morocco are listed as "minor destinations".
- An article from a Canadian perspective: Sex tourism in full boom. Jamaica, Barbados, Dominican Republic and the Caribbean are the major destination for Canadian women.
Comments
Anonymous (not verified)
big lies and cons
Mon, 2010/06/07 - 18:09For 2 years i was with an egyptian man,I lived in cairo with him and his family ,I came back to england to have his child .then i found out from a woman in scotland that she to was his wife and six other wives as well as both of us.each of them had been sending money to him via western union ,thankfully i never.but just like the rest of these people i to was scamed and heart broken.
so please be aware of the men in delta sharm and there lies and scams
Anonymous (not verified)
con sharm man magdy aka miemo
Wed, 2010/06/16 - 18:43I met an egyptian called magdy el sayed ashrag work name is miemo he works doing sales for beauty salons in expensive hotels he is a very charming liar and was with me six months then started asking for money for his dad who he told me died his sick mum and other things I did give him 200punds and he has told me he has opened a shop and his mum needs him to marry b4 she dies he is a born liar must of been collecting money from women be aware if you go to sharm!!! Egypt is a lovely place y do the men of the place act so foul??
Anonymous (not verified)
Im just curious
Wed, 2010/06/23 - 09:43Im a canadian women divorced with a child. I have found recently what I think is a good man. ( Mohamed Gouda Badr ) If anyone knows him.. Let me know any details. Let this be known I am a convert to Islam for 5 yrs now.. And looking for islamic marriage and which i hope are his intentions as well. After reading all these horror stories pertaining to stealing and using women from overseas, im scared is he really wanting to marry me is he really wanting marriage or what. He doesnt want to come to canada he says.. but he said with his work he works at the university of cario as a teacher... that he was asked to go to the UK for work as it would be a better income for him.. to he asked me before hand is it ok with me if we move there... I said I dont know iwould have to think about it. But i prefer to live in Arab country ..' dont ask why ' it is just what I want. He also said we will have our Nikah ( wedding ) with is family and celebration with his family as well not a very big wedding. But Im not a rich person ill tell you that much so im confused does he want me or what... I have my deen ( faith ) im relgious wear my hijab proudly pray 5x's a day Alhumdulilah but is it my ( deen ) he is ionterested in or what. Im confuesed reading all this. And scared. May Allah protect all of us from bad things and bad men who mislead us. - By the way women non muslim women it is 7aram ( not permissible ) to mis lead another person in the end he will have to deal with Alah ( God ) on the day of judgemnt and there he will have all what he done faced to him and no where to hide or nothing to say so please i know you have been hurt but he will pay for this. Just be patient.
Anyone know the man I had mentioned let me know oh and by the way he has sent me a copy of his passport ' werid ' lol and his degree's and his work contract as well. So does this have any affect on my judgment of him or what. Please im in need to know all this in time ... And if anyone is in Giza.. where he lives can anyone find out about him for me please and about his family ... Mohmad Gouda Badr of Giza - Egypt.
Thanks so much - JazakumAllah Khair.
(bYe) -- - Salam
Khalid
Not the usual scammer
Wed, 2010/06/23 - 16:37How did you find him? Online? Then you should be cautious. This raises alarm bells for me. From what you said, you never met him in person. This is an important aspect here.
Is he a teacher as in an academic (professor track)? Or just a lecturer? The former would be better.
If what he says is true, I think that from what you said that this is not the usual scammer. He does not work in tourist areas, and seems to have a good job at a good place.
Assuming that what he says can be verified, there are no warning signs that I can see here. Except for you making a decision on someone you never met based on what he says via emails or chat.
Regarding living in Western countries, I would not take your stance on this. I am a Muslim and live here in Canada without issues. Canada would be better than England. Many Muslims think living in Arab countries is better for the children, but it really depends on you and your husband, not the country around you.
If you are really considering marrying him, go and meet him and his family first before you make a decision.
Hannah (not verified)
Dear Jazakumallah, I love
Wed, 2010/06/23 - 16:53Dear Jazakumallah, I love your name, I am an English woman who also converted to Islam and married to an Egyptian, your man sounds ok, but there is no rush, go back to Egypt if you can, and get to know his family, try and stay in a hotel for safety. Watch his family, friends and see what they think of him, if you think you love him then take a chance, or why not wait for him to start work in UK and visit him there. Not all Egyptian men are gigalos, how did you meet him? I hope it works out ok for you, inshalla. Salaam from Hannan.
ps, if there is more than a 10 year difference in age, be careful.
mahmoud (not verified)
hi , canadian women :)
Wed, 2010/06/23 - 17:01how are you :) hope u r fine and well , happy u r revert to islam and i wish Allah will support u in ur life
first i wish ur luck will be more better than these other women here , u r right to feel like that and u must be so sure of him befor taking any step
about if anyone know him , i think it will be little diffclt cos giza have millions of people :) . wish i could help u but sory i dont know him .
but as advice from me , u can try to test him , by trying to talk to him as u r someone else try to chat with him by different ID and see how he will react , just try to be smart and dont push so much at first takeur time ad test him step by step , wish u will know if he loyal or just lookng for any women .
also if u can find a truthable egyptian women who can call him and see what will happened .
as a final adivce befor u do anything , come to egypt without ur kid and stay for a time meet his family , friends , see his home , his work , .... like that , then make ur choice , realy wish u all the best and sorry that i didnt help u much .
have a nice day
Eng. Mahmoud Shahda
Anonymous (not verified)
Mohamed Gouda Badr
Wed, 2011/04/20 - 07:39Hi
I am courious because I know a man of that name. He works in Sharm now at a hotel as Training Manager. He is born in 1980.
You can see him on facebook as 'Mohamed Badr'. Is that him?
If so please let me know, so we can continue our conversation ;)
Anonymous (not verified)
Mohamed Gouda Badr - Training Manager
Tue, 2011/12/13 - 14:51Yes, I know Mohamed Gouda Badr personally and he is a great LIAR!!
We met 3 years ago for business purposes. He is a training manager in an international hotel chain and me too. We have the same business.
We met in Sharm El Sheikh this summer. I went there for diving, and he came for vacation. He worked in Cairo, Sharm El Sheikh and recently in Jordan (and he is not working anymore - jobless)
Anyway, we spent some days together and we became lovers.. (if you can call it love)
He immediately told me that he wanted to marry me. I'm not a stupid girl, of course I did not believe. But as time passed, I saw he was serious.
Anyway, he quit his job in Jordan and he wanted to come to my country to live. I was surprised. I did not want to take the responsibility of a man coming here and creating a life here. But I was ok with the idea if he came for vacation.
As we were talking via Blackberry Messenger, whats app and sms, he was so kind and gentle.. Calling me his wife, his queen etc.
Soooo nice and kind, you cannot imagine..
As we were making plans, I just received a message via facebook from a women who says "I'm with Mohamad for one week in his apartment. I saw your messages and he told me you're just friends. I want to believe him but I do not want to be so naive either. Please help me"
Can you believe this? I thought I was a smart girl but apparently I'm not :)
So, whatever, keep away from this stupid liar okay?
Never ever ever ever trust him or believe what he says..
Even if he seems so trustworthy and nice, ignore him, dont even go closer. Or go. And see what happens :)
I've been through this and it sucks..
Do not trust his nice CV, tender words, warm touch or anything. He is just a fool, looking for a nice country to settle down.
Good luck ladies.
shan (not verified)
as i know,chinese and
Wed, 2010/06/23 - 10:55as i know,chinese and taiwaness women have the same experience.
a tour guide,
he was lying about everything.make you feel like a priness.but he has more than one girl. had sex with one of them,and,date with another.
but , smart women can read the signs.
you will know they are not into you.
Isis (not verified)
Be careful JazakumAllah
Sat, 2010/06/26 - 07:36I am not convinced that his man is not scamming you. You thought that it was strange that he sent you copies of his passport, degrees and work contract. I thought that was weird as well. I remember that I was once approached by an Egyptian men in a restaurant in Cairo who proudly shoved his passport and university degrees under my nose the minute he said "hello". Every time I returned to that restaurant with friends, this man was always there doing the same thing to another unsuspecting western woman. What he was trying to prove I do not know but it was definately a scamming attempt.
Until you meet your man in person and see for yourself where he works and lives you will always be guessing his honesty and intentions. The internet can only give you the picture of him that he wants to present to you and what he thinks that you want to see. You will only see in this man this person that you want to see as the internet can present an illusion of the man that you want to be with.
There are many good men in Egypt and he may be one of them, but please get to know him first on a personal and face to face level before you commit to a permanent relationship.
All the best.
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